My “So much porn!” post pretty much exploded. I just wanted to let everyone know that I’ve added some links to posts that go into detail about my response to these accusations.
Tag: Clopping
http://needs-more-pony.tumblr.com/post/75571078283/masteroflag-meh-needs-more-pony
Dude I got porn for mlp looking up Babs seed pic even with the damn safe search on months ago. And when I typed in sweetie belle to look up the actors name the second suggestion was rule 34.
Just face it. There are too many idiots who don’t properly tag shit and so much of this stuff it becomes a top suggestion by google.
I’m not saying it should be made less, but a lot more agreement on self regulation helps.
And don’t forget to even see comments on YouTube now you have to turn off safe search.
So basically it’s really easy even then to forget to turn it back on if you turned it off hours ago to do other stuff on Google and don’t even think of it.
You can still blame parents for that but don’t just ignore that there is some form of an exposure problem with mlp porn right now cause there really is.
Of course there are always exceptions to a rule. But consistent tests seem to demonstrate that it is super rare to find NSFW content when not looking for it.
And frankly, that applies to anything, even outside of MLP.
I’m a firm believer in the idea that it’s a parent’s job to parent their child. Not everyone else’s. We can certainly make their job somewhat easier by developing effective tagging standards, but that’s the most we can compromise. It’s up to the parent to ultimately monitor what their kids see on the internet.
I mean, as a parent, do you just let your kid wonder the mall aimlessly? I sure hope not. The internet is the same. There is a lot of awesome stuff here for kids to find and enjoy, but a parent needs to be there as chaperone to make sure their child is safe. The community in general can help by not allowing public displays of things deemed inappropriate (as they already do), but shit still happens, and it’s final responsibility is on the parent, not everyone else.
This sums up main response to those who say bronies who produce adult content are ruining the show for children.
Adapted from a comment on Derpibooru at 2014 January 14 23:02 UTC. (It should be on the third-to-last page of comments.)
Yep.
this is the one anti-brony thing i always call BS on. your child found that porn because of one of 3 reasons.
1. You weren’t monitoring them like you should be.
2. They clicked on links they shouldn’t have.
3. They were looking for it.or 4. you were lying.
You could also add “SafeSearch (or other filtering) wasn’t enabled.”
This sums up main response to those who say bronies who produce adult content are ruining the show for children.
Adapted from a comment on Derpibooru at 2014 January 14 23:02 UTC. (It should be on the third-to-last page of comments.)
Yep.
Yeah, but if you type in a specific character you do get r34
Please turn on SafeSearch and get back to me.
This sums up main response to those who say bronies who produce adult content are ruining the show for children.
Adapted from a comment on Derpibooru at 2014 January 14 23:02 UTC. (It should be on the third-to-last page of comments.)
Yep.
Okay so that’s what happens when you type in “My Little Pony”. What about searching a few popular characters? Rainbow Dash?
Whoops what’s that in the middle?
Okay how about the pegasi?Childish curiosity + something about ‘rules’ concerning a show where the lead character sticks to rules? Hm.
And I hope your favourite characters aren’t the Apple Family
The problem isn’t that there’s “so much porn”. It’s that the porn sneaks into other searches where kids can find it. You wanna explain to little kids why Applejack is an orange human jizzing out of a horse cock you go the fuck ahead.
I just don’t get how a show about being nice and decent to people has descended into this.
One thing is that I did those searches to try and confirm the results but I could only find them with safe search turned off.
Secondly it’s not that hard to explain to a child that there are some adult things that aren’t bad but they’re not meant to see yet, it’s what my parents did for me and it’s a part of growing up for lots of children.
Thirdly and the biggest one of all in my mind is that for all of the rule 34 of kid’s shows and media, from mlp to frozen, from dbz to pokemon, all of that is absolutely dwarfed by the chance of a kid getting curious and googling the word ‘sex’.
Second on the SafeSearch. (But I couldn’t confirm the Apple family results. What was the specific query?)
This sums up main response to those who say bronies who produce adult content are ruining the show for children.
Adapted from a comment on Derpibooru at 2014 January 14 23:02 UTC. (It should be on the third-to-last page of comments.)
EDIT: Wow! The response to this has been overwhelming. A lot of people who have reblogged this have already said a lot that I agree with, but if you have the occasion to return to this original post, here are the main posts that go into detail about my response:
- My search experiments and others’ (NSFW for comparison between SafeSearch on and off) that show that SafeSearch generally blocks the porn
- Why parents should be responsible for what their children see online
- Why parents need to enable search filtering
- Why I’m concerned about these accusations (and a directory to all my previous posts on this issue)
Thank you for your time.
For those who don’t know, I have made quite a few posts about children finding “adult” content related to “My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.” (Each word in “I…posts” is a separate link. That might not be obvious, depending on where you’re reading this.) (EDIT: I found another post.)
But recently I found another post decrying bronies who make and consume such content, and it made me think about all these stories. (Forgive me for beating a dead horse [that idiom is doubly appropriate in this case], but after all, it was part of Pinkiepony’s original motivation for “Down with Molestia” [my reblogging/response].) (When I checked the original source of the post, I discovered that it was related to “Down with Molestia” as well [see the tags]. Come on!)
My initial reaction towards them is confusion: How exactly did these children find such content? If my experiments (two separate links) are accurate, it would be very difficult to find such content. And what exactly was this content that they found?
These questions are not likely to be answered, because these are passing incidents that people don’t want to revisit, which is understandable. But that evokes my next reaction: concern and maybe even fear. I fear that people will take these claims for granted, without bothering to investigate their sources or the circumstances surrounding the events in them. Things hit the fan when ill-substantiated beliefs (not exactly rumors, but close to them) get out of hand. Take Tumblr’s new terms (two separate links) as an example. As another, more serious one, take the whole thing about how a certain vaccine supposedly causes autism.
Okay, the consequences of these claims about children finding this content probably aren’t as extreme as outbreaks of disease (yes, they did happen because too few children were vaccinated!). But what are the consequences? Content being removed. Most of the Tumblr blog removals I’ve seen were due to posting depictions of underaged characters, but the latest, that of “Ask Princess Molestia,” was different. If you notice, Pinkiepony’s e-mail to Hasbro about “Ask Princess Molestia” (and “The Fall of Equestria”) addressed the potential for children to access the works. There is still doubt as to whether this e-mail actually did lead to the removal or not, but I think this is indicative of what might come.
So, word reached me that APM got hit with a C&D after enough people prompted Hasbro to take action on the subject. This is likely to be the only thing I will say in response to it, unless I get prompted for more, so here ‘goes.
Folks, the fandom is changing.
We can no longer conduct ourselves as though we’re part of some indie, underground, cultist movement. “Brony” is now a word in mainstream cultural vernacular, and whether we want to admit it or not, there are a lot of eyes pointed toward us now.
You are a lot more visible than you think.
This really hit home for me when I was at the most recent Bronycon in August, and a girl, no older than 8, came up to me, and told me she knew who I was.
While the roots of our isolated little culture may have been on 4chan once upon a time — the veritable, scummy “good ol’ boys club” of the internet — we have long-since evolved past that, and can no longer adamantly cling to our ribbing, inside-joke laden, adults-only behavior of yesteryear. The days of being able to openly share adult materials has ended.
That said, I do not, personally, want to see the abolishment of porn, or fetish art, or silly Gmod videos of ponies
making outdoing dumb shit, or whatever else have you — these are things that I feel people are entitled to enjoy at their leisure, however is it also my belief that, in order to continue sharing these things, it is imperative we construct safe spaces to do so.As adult fans of a children’s show, we are obligated to be responsible stewards for our content. This is a duty that can no longer be ignored or skated around.
While most of the DWM rhetoric that went around this last tear had a lot of people rolling their eyes, we can’t ignore that it is all-too-easy for kids to accidentally stumble across suggestive, or even explicit pony images, even with safe search on. So while I’ve come to disagree with most of the talking points of the DWM/PARC bunch, I cannot easily fault them for at least wanting to try to make the public face of the fandom cleaner, and more kid-friendly. While, yes, there is also a certain element of parental responsibility that should come into play as well, I’m not certain how reasonable it is to expect parents to be diligent about filtering porn out of something that ought to be pretty benign, like My Little Pony.
We’ve really been on borrowed time since day one, and the removal of the APM comic should serve as indication enough that we, collectively, need to be more cautious about how, and where adult materials are shared. I’m all for letting people enjoy what they want, even if it’s subversive fetish pony porn, or weird, rapey jokes (whatever floats your boat, man,) but we can no longer remain ignorant of people accidentally coming across those kinds of things, especially when the people that might accidentally encounter it belong to the show’s main demographic.
This whole thing should be clear proof that the show’s target audience matters more to Hasbro than bronies do (as it should,) and they will protect them.
These are just my 2 cents.
I second the motion, anyone who is part of the fandom should read this
Yeah, this is so true… Hey, wait a minute!
My main reaction to this is: You mean, you weren’t already doing this?
I haven’t been in the fandom for that long, but it seems to me that it had become a “generally recognized” Internet phenomenon by the end of 2011. I’m surprised that it’s taken this long for people to understand that such mature content (sexual, violent, etc.) is in fact visible to others. And even if we were still “underground” we would still have the same obligations concerning this content, as any purveyor of not-safe-for-all-ages content does.
(I seriously doubt that Down with Molestia is heavily focused on making ponies family-friendly for children. Yes, that is part of Pinkiepony’s original intention [my reblog]. But based on what I’ve seen, the movement as a whole seems pretty mum about clop or other mature content in general. Even the fact that it’s been renamed “Ponies Against Rape Culture” supports this.)
Adding in my 2 cents to this, I believe it’s because those who hate anthro has been probably exposed to crappy art. Mind you anthro art is saturated and it can be rather difficult to find the good from the bad unless you have a general sense of which artists you should follow. It could also be that for the first time someone who looks up anthro ponies has only been exposed to extreme kinks. The type of kinks that they don’t like and sadly believe that that’s what anthro is all about. That perhaps they are disgusted at the mere sight of the pony’s head attached to a body with human proportions is another valid reason. It is not a bad thing that anthro exists within MLP. I consider that a good thing. The “hate” on anthro is something I can honestly care less when it isn’t even a big deal to begin with (at least on my end).
While I vastly prefer the pony form of clop, anthro is actually a type of pony art that has grown on me in response to the exposure I get on a daily basis. Though when I really think about it (keeping in mind that I only have a vague sense of what anthro is based upon the art I stumbled upon), anthro to me is a change of body type that either can sometimes be really sexy or a visual representation of how the artist views the pony as in “anthro form”
I like anthro because of colorful butts and boobies ok?
Thanks for your response. Adding to the “uncanny valley” idea, a thing that turns me off about some anthro clop is lack of breasts. Sometimes a female anthropomorphic pony isn’t given breasts. This can be done well, but it’s more difficult than with breasts, and a lot of times it seems even loli-like. (I mentioned this in the previous discussion.)
Too-easy plug: If you’re looking for an idea of anthro clop you can check out #anthro on my blog. I don’t post lots of kinks (though futanari is probably the one that will turn the most people off).
A few months ago there was a discussion concerning Rule 34 of “Friendship is Magic” with anthropomorphic characters, but I’m going to try to reopen it since it didn’t really take off after one other user came in.
In short, it seems that many people like ponies in their original quadrupedal form (“feral” form, as I call it) and humanized characters, but not anthropomorphs. A few explanations for this were given.
You can follow the link above to see what was already said, but I’m curious: Do a lot of people hate anthro clop (or anthro ponies, sexual or not)? Do you like them? Why, or, more importantly, why not?