Tag: Homosexuality
http://sunlightstarry.deviantart.com/art/True-Bronies-Stamp-280749399
((Very interesting discussion. I agree with what you have to say too. It’s pretty obvious that group is just a bunch of bigots and trying to find a shield to hide behind. Of course this coming from the person who is using an icon of Celestia and Luna making out ^_^;
One thing that always struck me though is when people call homosexuality a “deviation”. I’d love to sit down and discuss that with someone who uses that terminology. I enjoy words and I believe in the fair use of proper definitions. To call something a deviation is simply to say it’s not normal. But, how are they defining “not normal”? If they define “normal” sex as sex that can result in procreation, then homosexual sex is indeed not normal. It can’t result in passing on genetics or propagating the species. And, well, so what? It can’t. Big deal.
I think the problem arises when people jump from “this isn’t the usual thing” to “and therefore it is evil and bad”. Calling something unusual or strange or abnormal these days has become synonymous with calling it evil or wrong. That’s a shame, because that isn’t what those words mean.
I am very tall for my gender (which I keep guarded online). I am abnormal. I am a genetic aberration. I am different from most people of my gender. …so?
Rather than looking to remove all concept of rarity or abnormality, we should be embracing what makes us different and celebrating that we are less common than normal. Yeah, if you do something most people don’t do then you are engaging in an activity that deviates from the norm. And so what? The very act of liking FIM as an adult is a deviation from most adults. The act of liking clop is a deviation from most of the sub-group of adults who are FIM fans. …and again I ask society and those who would use “deviant” or “abnormal” as derogatory terms… so what?
Embrace being abnormal. There’s nothing wrong with it. Unless someone’s abnormal because they’re a serial rapist or something. Then yeah fuck that guy. xD ))
http://sunlightstarry.deviantart.com/art/True-Bronies-Stamp-280749399
So here’s the backstory. A while back I reblogged a presentation comparing bisexuality and pansexuality. Subsequently fandomsandfeminism followed up on the hate surrounding the inclusion of ponies.
On that post, 10-foot-pole-logician said: You must have offended the bronies. And they are coming for you
LOL! Why would bronies get pissed off by ponies? I guess if they were used for something that went against the show… Hey, wasn’t there that one deviantArt thing that was against homosexual relationships…?
Oh, yeah! E-Qual-estria!
Where’s that art… Ah, here we go! This art from one of the moderators led me to this, and it pretty much sums up the reasons for the hate toward the group.
There’s a section in the rules that’s relevant:
Question: Why aren’t gay couples allowed? As long as its not too graphic, then I don’t see why it shouldn’t be considered G-rating.
Answer: We don’t want our group focusing on shipping- there are many, many other groups for that. We just like to focus on the general MLP fandom. Anyone can join. The general idea of our “Colts X Fillies” is meant to follow the “cannon” [sic] path of hetero crushes (aka Spike X Rarity).
That leads me to the stamp accessible through the post link. Let’s take a tour through the description:
[Note: I’ve used some styles to make “italics in italics” show up as upright, but these won’t show on the dashboard. If you’re interested in seeing them, view the post on my blog.]
I’m not here to tell you what you can or cannot draw, just to inform bronies that homo relationships are not canon, and that we don’t want you to force us to accept it into our groups. I don’t hate anypony, so please don’t hate anypony either [:)]
Okay, if you’re up for “canonical ships only,” then that’s fine. But there is a fine line between persuading you to accept something and forcing you to. I haven’t witnessed a lot of the criticism firsthand, but I would think that yes, some of it went past persuasion.
First off, there are no homosexual ponies in MLP:FiM. There are frequent heterosexual couples listed in MLP:FiM. Mr. and Mrs. Cake, Twilight’s parents, Spike X Rarity, AJ’s parents, Pinkie Pie’s parents, Rarity’s parents, and the latest coupling Big Mac X Cherilee!
Yeah, that’s true. But if you only want to ship canonical couples, you’d better not ship some of the more common non-canonical heterosexual couples, like Fluttershy x Big Macintosh and Soarin’ x Rainbow Dash…
Let’s explore the “Colts X Fillies” folder. Not only is there Fluttermac (Bigshy?) and Soarindash (Rainbowsoarin’?), I see Twilight x Big Macintosh and Luna x Discord. Yep, totally canonical. Come on, is it canonical couples only or straight couples only?
Second, the majority of shipping seems to be homosexual ponies. This is not canon my fellow bronies, do not be deceived.
Sure, but neither is every fanfic (pony or not) ever written.
This is a children’s show! They have not featured homo ponies because this is meant for children.
Um…okay…? Maybe children shouldn’t be exploring the finer points of queer sexuality, but I don’t know if this an appropriate charge…
Homosexual is a sexual deviation, an abnormality, which is not appropriate for kids.
Yep, here we go. You lost me. Like I said, it’s fine if you want to constrain yourself to canonical ships, but this? You know what, fine. This statement (unlike some other statements about gays, lesbians, and other queer people) is subjective. But understand that you will get criticism for it.
So why the stamp Sunlight? Well, quite frankly, I’m disgusted with many bronies who draw Rainbow Dash X Pinkie Pie, or Twilight X Princess Luna. Or for that matter, Princess Celestia X Princess Luna! Bottom-of-the-barrel bronies, stooping to homo incest. Grossed out yet? There’s more.
I’m not sure if this was intentional, but this seems to conflate the ideas of homosexuality and incest. I could see why a lot of people wouldn’t like Celestia x Luna, but that would be because the relationship is incestual, not homosexual. While Rainbowpie (Pinkieshy?) isn’t at the top of my M6 ship list, and I think Twilight x Celestia makes more sense, I get them.
If you make a group that doesn’t allow sexual deviations, you will more than likely be trolled by users who want you to accept their sexual deviations. Their goal is to force you to accept it….
It’s not like we’re going to allow rapes, murders, blood and gore, or sexual deviations. These things are not in MLP. It’s a children’s show!
Logic students, take note. This is a fallacy (a defect in logic) called begging the question (also known by the Latin petitio principii, “petition of principle”). This occurs when a conclusion is based on a claim that also needs support. In simple terms, someone argues, “Y, because X,” and the issue that comes up is, “Well, how do we know X is true?” In this case, the conclusion is homosexuality should not be allowed in MLP, based on the premises sexual deviations should not be allowed in MLP and homosexuality is a sexual deviation. The claim that needs support here is homosexuality is a sexual deviation. That is, how do we know homosexuality is a sexual deviation?
Lastly, I’d like to point out a grammatical “pet peeve” that’s bugged me throughout this discussion: There is the word “canonical”. Use it! (This doesn’t just go to SunlightStarry.)
Holy crap. This is twice as long as any previous single discussion post (that is, not counting threads) on my blog. If you’ve made it this far, I appreciate it.