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HeartLinda: Discussion: Down with Molestia (Accusations)

heartlinda:

Here’s how I think DM should ideally treat supporters of “Ask Princess Molestia”:

“You should stop supporting APM because it normalizes rape.”

Instead, what I see is this:

“If you support APM, you support rape culture.”

The difference between the two is that the first allows people who…

If you support APM, you support rape culture because it normalizes rape. These aren’t unrelated.

It also encourages rapists by trivializing rape.

http://rajsivaraman.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/a-scientific-case-against-rape-jokes/

(I will never not take the chance to link this)

This is the sort of attitude I think DM should try to avoid. You’re not giving people an opportunity to consider why “Ask Princess Molestia” supports rape culture, because people might not realize it at first.

Discussion: Down with Molestia (Accusations)

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Here’s how I think DM should ideally treat supporters of “Ask Princess Molestia”:

“You should stop supporting APM because it normalizes rape.”

Instead, what I see is this:

“If you support APM, you support rape culture.”

The difference between the two is that the first allows people who support APM to reconsider, without accusing them of supporting something that they probably don’t. Some people might like APM but not realize that it might support rape culture.

If this is supposed to be about awareness, the first one does a much better job without inciting accusations.

"Down with Molestia" is not JUST about the blog.

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marlinsandthetrout:

(For my non-brony followers, there’s a movement in the fandom called “Down with Molestia” that is speaking out against a fan-meme that is Princess Celestia turned into a rapist named Princess Molestia, and a certain askprincessmolestia.tumblr.com blog that is riddled with rape jokes and rape culture). 

Down with Molestia is not about getting some blog taken down. It’s about speaking out about rape culture. The very fact that some people are saying “it’s not a big deal!” is an indicator that rape culture has been so deeply ingrained in you cretins that you don’t see what’s obviously wrong with it. 

The Molestia blog pokes fun at molestation and rapes and makes the victims the butt of the joke. Oh. the Princess just shoved her horn up that unsuspecting pony’s vagina. ISN’T THAT JUST SO FUNNY? ISN’T THE PRINCESS SUCH A FUNNY, LIKABLE SCAMP? HAHAHA. 

No. 

“Why are you getting so angry about a blog? Why don’t you go after someone else or go after bigger problems like starving children in Africa?" 

Again. This movement isn’t even directly about the blog for most people. The blog is a piece of rape culture, and the DWM movement is addressing rape culture as a whole. And why are YOU getting all mad at us for speaking up and not going and helping starving kids in Africa?

Also, the blog is drawn by a man who not only constantly makes rape jokes and molestation jokes but makes an offensive parody of the movement that began over his own blog. When he receives criticism, he laughs in our faces. That should be enough to tell you what a vile person he is.

I get this.

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starsketcher:

Let’s all just take a moment & realize that if PinkiePony was a male victim of rape who started up the “Down With Molestia” campaign, nobody would’ve done anything to stop her & probably have triple the support.

…but since she’s a female she instead gets multiple death threats, people harshly impersonating her, has numerous false rumors spread around, & a shocking amount of people mocking her just for sticking up for something she believed that needed to be said…

Think about it before you try to tell me that I’m wrong.

Something to think about. I personally have not given PinkiePony any of this hate, though.

Oh, crap, missvoltairine went off more than I thought!

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She made several posts after responding to me:

Most of it is ranting on how I talked about my clopping, which I thought was justified. (See my response.)

Oh, dear goodness, I definitely hope I don’t meet her in real life.

So missvoltairine replied to me (again)

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The response is here. (Note that she cut out some; read my initial response here.) I decided not to reblog it since apparently she doesn’t want a direct response. (I will still tag her blog name; I know that’s for “replies” or something like that, but I don’t know what effect it has.)

This is probably my last response to her. I figured this would be nothing but trouble, and I think this response might attract even more. Whatever.

After this paragraph everything is addressed to her.

I’m sorry you’re disturbed by my masturbatory habits, but I only brought them up since you called people like me “predatory adult men.” (I might just ask you the same question: Why did you go from my post to accusing me of getting off to rape fantasies?) Yes, the “mane 6” (judging by your use of that term, I assume you are somewhat familiar with “My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic”) are supposed to be relatable to little girls, but that doesn’t meant they are little girls. They are adults. They have jobs. I am open to evidence against that if you or anyone else wishes to present it. Also, I do not get off to rape fantasies involving them or any other character, from My Little Pony or otherwise. As I said, I don’t find “Ask Princess Molestia” arousing.

If you would act this way toward me in real life, I would want to stay away from you. Jeez.

TW: CSA, rape apologism, csa apologism /To pinkiepony in re "Down with Molestia"

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notableclopblog:

heartlinda:

missvoltairine:

heartlinda:

pinkiepony:

I know I’ll lose followers, I know I’ll get hate mail, but I’m tired of my voice being silenced. I want to be heard. This is not a joke. Sexual abuse and molestation is not a joke. I’m a victim myself, and to see people taking it so lightly, is sickening. Rape is not a joke. Rape is not sexy. Stop glorifying these acts. I recently babysat a child who entered my room, and upon seeing my massive My Little Pony collection, she ran to my Friendship is Magic shelf and started naming them, and once she got to Celestia, she told me she rapes people. She simply googled images of Celestia, and that little girl now knows what rape is. That was the last straw. I haven’t told many of you, but I had a terrible rape experience and My Little Pony is my passion. This needs to end.

I want to make a difference. Im willing to fight. Down with Molestia! We need to take a stand. Who’s with me?

So this is the seminal post for “Down with Molestia.” (Or not; correct me if I’m wrong.)

Let me start off by saying this: I can see where you’re coming from with this. That story is quite shocking, but it shows more the inability of cloppers and others interested in more “mature” themes to keep their material discreet and marked. But as rape is a very serious issue, and seeing as you yourself are a victim of sexual abuse, I can see why you’re taking it in this direction.

I am sorry that you and your supporters are getting hate (not simple criticism) for this. However, I think your campaign is a bit extreme, and somewhat exaggerates the influence of APM. It is one blog, and I have to agree with hazama-itsuru (reblogged by you) that parents should be more careful when their children are online. I believe this is what John Joseco meant with #354, that supporting APM is not supporting or trivializing rape. (Some have interpreted this as rape apology, which I think is a misconstruation.) Should he have defended himself more maturely? Probably. Do I agree with him on this? Maybe, but I’m not too sure yet.

That’s all I have to say for now. I’ll probably follow up with this soon. I hope people can continue to discuss things civilly despite the controversial issues presented.

“let’s have a civil discussion about how i think predatory adult men using a TV program for young girls as a venue for their rape porn is totally fine, god why are all you rape victims such hysterical bitches incapable of taking a joke, who gave you the idea that young girls deserve for anything they like to be safe from grown men sexualizing it and making it about rape, it’s not like 1 in 3 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime and the majority of those assaults will happen before the victims turn 18”

you are literally disgusting and I hope the skin burns off the roof of your mouth

Oh, dear goodness. I don’t see why a contentious issue (or even one with an “obvious” answer) can’t be discussed civilly. For example, I am highly inclined to call creationists idiots, but I refrain from doing so because that doesn’t prove that evolution is true, and might suggest that I don’t have evidence to back up my claim.

You seem to make a lot of inaccurate assumptions about my views.

  1. “…predatory adult men…” I clop. Yes, that means I get off to erotic depictions of “My Little Pony.” That does not mean I am a pedophile. If you are familiar with “Friendship is Magic,” please note that the main six characters are adults. They have jobs. I stay away from depictions of underage characters.
  2. “…how i think predatory adult men using a TV program for young girls as a venue for their rape porn is totally fine” I don’t clop to APM; I don’t find it arousing. I don’t think others find it arousing, either, but funny.
  3. “god why are all you rape victims such hysterical bitches incapable of taking a joke” I never said that. I even conceded that I understood pinkiepony’s view. I did say that she and apparently you are exaggerating the size of APM’s impact.
  4. “who gave you the idea that young girls deserve for anything they like to be safe from grown men sexualizing it and making it about rape” Again, I never said that, and I actually believe the exact opposite (though I’m not sure I made that clear). I do believe children should be protected from such material. I just think, as hazama-itsuru does, that parents should take more responsibility. (Please read the post from that blog that I linked. Here is another link for your convenience.)

You should read this (and my original post) thoroughly, and I hope you understand that the palate (roof of the mouth) is not covered in skin.

I’d give a lot more credence to people on the down with molestia side feeling victimized if perfectly calm and reasonable opinions that avoid condescension, like what Heartlinda wrote, didn’t get twisted around in their mind as, “god why are all you rape victims such hysterical bitches incapable of taking a joke”. There’s also this idea they’re obsessed with that this is rape victims versus rape apologists. Clear cut good vs evil and it enables them to be just, like, really really shitty. There have been enough people who were themselves victims coming forward and saying they don’t like DWM to show that it is in fact possible to care strongly about rape victims but feel differently. 

http://jitterbugjive.tumblr.com/post/58517731845/ive-been-sexually-abused-so-it-was-really-upsetting

http://lovelywaifu.tumblr.com/post/58471360292/some-real-talk-about-dwm-drama-from-a-real-victim

http://askstormyhero.tumblr.com/post/58524474183/some-words-from-someone-who-is-clear-in-the-head

http://dareabrit.tumblr.com/post/58516885011/i-support-the-big-sexy-drawn-by-me-via-mouse-d

Some of these people are sane and have reasonable interests in this but then some of them are just incapable of processing the idea people who disagree with them aren’t stupid or evil. I don’t really know where I wanted to go with this.

TW: CSA, rape apologism, csa apologism /To pinkiepony in re "Down with Molestia"

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missvoltairine:

heartlinda:

pinkiepony:

I know I’ll lose followers, I know I’ll get hate mail, but I’m tired of my voice being silenced. I want to be heard. This is not a joke. Sexual abuse and molestation is not a joke. I’m a victim myself, and to see people taking it so lightly, is sickening. Rape is not a joke. Rape is not sexy. Stop glorifying these acts. I recently babysat a child who entered my room, and upon seeing my massive My Little Pony collection, she ran to my Friendship is Magic shelf and started naming them, and once she got to Celestia, she told me she rapes people. She simply googled images of Celestia, and that little girl now knows what rape is. That was the last straw. I haven’t told many of you, but I had a terrible rape experience and My Little Pony is my passion. This needs to end.

I want to make a difference. Im willing to fight. Down with Molestia! We need to take a stand. Who’s with me?

So this is the seminal post for “Down with Molestia.” (Or not; correct me if I’m wrong.)

Let me start off by saying this: I can see where you’re coming from with this. That story is quite shocking, but it shows more the inability of cloppers and others interested in more “mature” themes to keep their material discreet and marked. But as rape is a very serious issue, and seeing as you yourself are a victim of sexual abuse, I can see why you’re taking it in this direction.

I am sorry that you and your supporters are getting hate (not simple criticism) for this. However, I think your campaign is a bit extreme, and somewhat exaggerates the influence of APM. It is one blog, and I have to agree with hazama-itsuru (reblogged by you) that parents should be more careful when their children are online. I believe this is what John Joseco meant with #354, that supporting APM is not supporting or trivializing rape. (Some have interpreted this as rape apology, which I think is a misconstruation.) Should he have defended himself more maturely? Probably. Do I agree with him on this? Maybe, but I’m not too sure yet.

That’s all I have to say for now. I’ll probably follow up with this soon. I hope people can continue to discuss things civilly despite the controversial issues presented.

“let’s have a civil discussion about how i think predatory adult men using a TV program for young girls as a venue for their rape porn is totally fine, god why are all you rape victims such hysterical bitches incapable of taking a joke, who gave you the idea that young girls deserve for anything they like to be safe from grown men sexualizing it and making it about rape, it’s not like 1 in 3 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime and the majority of those assaults will happen before the victims turn 18”

you are literally disgusting and I hope the skin burns off the roof of your mouth

Oh, dear goodness. I don’t see why a contentious issue (or even one with an “obvious” answer) can’t be discussed civilly. For example, I am highly inclined to call creationists idiots, but I refrain from doing so because that doesn’t prove that evolution is true, and might suggest that I don’t have evidence to back up my claim.

You seem to make a lot of inaccurate assumptions about my views.

  1. “…predatory adult men…” I clop. Yes, that means I get off to erotic depictions of “My Little Pony.” That does not mean I am a pedophile. If you are familiar with “Friendship is Magic,” please note that the main six characters are adults. They have jobs. I stay away from depictions of underage characters.
  2. “…how i think predatory adult men using a TV program for young girls as a venue for their rape porn is totally fine” I don’t clop to APM; I don’t find it arousing. I don’t think others find it arousing, either, but funny.
  3. “god why are all you rape victims such hysterical bitches incapable of taking a joke” I never said that. I even conceded that I understood pinkiepony’s view. I did say that she and apparently you are exaggerating the size of APM’s impact.
  4. “who gave you the idea that young girls deserve for anything they like to be safe from grown men sexualizing it and making it about rape” Again, I never said that, and I actually believe the exact opposite (though I’m not sure I made that clear). I do believe children should be protected from such material. I just think, as hazama-itsuru does, that parents should take more responsibility. (Please read the post from that blog that I linked. Here is another link for your convenience.)

You should read this (and my original post) thoroughly, and I hope you understand that the palate (roof of the mouth) is not covered in skin.