Tag: Discussion

http://needs-more-pony.tumblr.com/post/67225127483/discussion-every-brony-clops

needs-more-pony:

I see what you mean now. Honestly, I still say go for it.

What you do as an individual isn’t going to affect the perception of the brony community at large. Whether you acknowledge your other persona or now, there are still people out there who are going to think ill of bronies (just like they do furries).

EDIT: Follow the conversation thread up through here instead of the post link.

I think you’re right. I also think that people shouldn’t say that cloppers are a minority of the brony fandom, but rather they’re discreet.

http://needs-more-pony.tumblr.com/post/67225127483/discussion-every-brony-clops

needs-more-pony:

My personal opinion is people just need to not freak out about the idea of clop. I demand a general respect for my interest in clop content. In return, I respect the fact that many people don’t want to ever have to run into clop content, and I do my best to accommodate them. I have both SFW blog and a NSFW blog. And I keep them separate. The only people who find my clop blog are people who actually want to.

Essentially, everyone should respect each other. Non-cloppers should acknowledge and respect the existence of cloppers, while cloppers should respect that not everyone is into what they are, and keep their content discrete.

It’s pretty much the same dynamic that should be for bronies vs. non-bronies. Non-bronies need to respect that bronies exist and there is nothing wrong with that, and bronies need to not offensively effusive about their interests.

So yeah, I’d say acknowledge both of your identities. And don’t give a damn about people who may look down on you.

Never be afraid to just be yourself, but always respect the boundaries of others.

Thank you for your input. I agree with what you’ve said. However, my concern is not with others’ perceptions of me as an individual. I am more concerned about the perception of the brony fandom as a whole.

As I said, I fear that bronies are going the way of furries in that both bronies and furries get hate for having large proportions of sexual perverts which might actually be justified. I see bronies (and furries) defending their fanbase(s) against these accusations by saying something like, “Every fanbase has a messed-up side, but it’s only a minority.” Is that still true for the brony fanbase? The furry fanbase?

Warning: “Grammar Nazism” below.
*discreet
*philosophy

Answer to the title: Of course not. But apparently many do, and aren’t ashamed to admit it. Read on.

I’ve mentioned in two separate posts that I have a “SFW” brony identity, and a recent Twitter exchange (referenced here) is pushing me to acknowledge that they’re the same person.

First things first: Why the separation? The easiest answer is that I wouldn’t want to lay clop (and other sexual content) on people who are not interested in it.

But many people at the very least acknowledge the SFW identity from the NSFW one (and less often the NSFW from the SFW). I have tried to maintain a strict separation between my two identities: I have not acknowledged the other from either, and I try not to take things that show up under one and post them on the other.

The reason for that has more to do with the perceptions of clop in the brony fandom, from both inside and outside. A common accusation made by haters and trolls is that many/all bronies clop. Of course it’s a false generalization to say that all bronies clop, but whether “many” do or not is harder to determine.

I fear that the brony fandom is going the way of the furry fandom: Haters say that a large majority of fans get off to sexual content, and that might actually be true. I do not want to contribute to that. (The only difference is that brony conventions are SFW, unline furry conventions. [The largest furry conventions allow NSFW content (“yiff”), but it’s placed in restricted areas, if I recall correctly.])

What do you think? Are my concerns justified? Should I go ahead and acknowledge my other identity?

needs-more-plot:

heartlinda:

needs-more-plot:

heartlinda:

negevsthebear:

needs-more-plot:

heartlinda:

I speculated in a previous post on why some people prefer the canonical form. In short, I think maybe they strongly associate the characters (i.e., personalities) with their canonical forms, so they are put off by any variations.

It’s interesting that you mention that the same people like completely humanized versions, because my explanation is inconsistent with that. But right now I’ll just guess that maybe with the characters in totally human form it’s just regular porn or hentai to them.

I suppose that makes sense, though it still seems really odd to me.

So now I present this same question to my followers. Ever run into this situation yourself?

I have seen that a fair bit, but I would disagree with the assumption that is because of association of personalities with their canonical forms.

To me, it usually seemed fairly obvious it was because the middle ground  of anthromorphological forms basically treaded on enemy territory; Both the canonical forms, and humanized forms are unique to the fandom, but anthro equines are something already well within the realm of the furry fandom; with which there are high levels of mutual animosity between in certain circles.

Hm… I thought the question was about sexual attraction. I didn’t really think about any other factors.

I want to say that anthropomorphic ponies actually are unique to bronies. Anthropomorphic equines in the furry fandom are actually different in that they’re more “true to life” than anthropomorphic characters from “Friendship is Magic.” (If you want to compare, I just found a horse thread on a furry imageboard [NSFW, just in case you didn’t figure].)

With that being said, though, I have a bit more speculation on why anthropomorphic forms aren’t that attractive to some: Sometimes when the body of a female pony is anthropomorphed, the artist doesn’t add breasts, since, after all, that’s not where they naturally go. But this makes her look flat-chested or even loli-like, which would be a turn-off for a lot of people.

*clicks link*

And suddenly my “special folder” has several more images in it. :D

*ahem* But as for the discussion: I don’t really think they all that different.

Cloppers seem to hate anthro ponies (because they look weird and freaky).

Conversely, there are a lot of furries who simply hate the idea of clopping because they hate the idea of MLP being popular among guys.

Also, FYI, that 4chan link you gave actually does have some MLP anthros in there (AJ, Rarity, Zecora, the spa sisters).

Huh, I see them as very different.

I think some more people should come in, especially those who do hate anthro (MLP:FiM) ponies and can give some insight.

I didn’t go through the thread that thouroughly, so I didn’t see the MLP in it. I just did a text search through it, and they’re not bad. (By the way, it isn’t from 4chan; it’s from another site that uses similar software.)

I do see your point about them being different. When I want MLP porn, it’s a different desire from looking for horse-anthro porn. But I think that’s irrelevant to those who are not both furries and bronies, as either side often isn’t interested in the middle ground.

But yeah, I’m curious to hear what others may add to this topic.

I’m also curious if MLP anthro porn as interested bronies to furry porn in general. That is to say, bronies who were ambivalent to furry porn before, now love it—and MLP anthro porn served as the gateway for that.

Well, I meant that I considered them different physically, and I hate furry anthro horses, but I’ll keep this short and let other people come in.

(This discussion seems to be expanding, so I’d like to remind everyone that Disqus is an alternative to reblogging. See how to use it.)

needs-more-plot:

heartlinda:

negevsthebear:

needs-more-plot:

heartlinda:

I speculated in a previous post on why some people prefer the canonical form. In short, I think maybe they strongly associate the characters (i.e., personalities) with their canonical forms, so they are put off by any variations.

It’s interesting that you mention that the same people like completely humanized versions, because my explanation is inconsistent with that. But right now I’ll just guess that maybe with the characters in totally human form it’s just regular porn or hentai to them.

I suppose that makes sense, though it still seems really odd to me.

So now I present this same question to my followers. Ever run into this situation yourself?

I have seen that a fair bit, but I would disagree with the assumption that is because of association of personalities with their canonical forms.

To me, it usually seemed fairly obvious it was because the middle ground  of anthromorphological forms basically treaded on enemy territory; Both the canonical forms, and humanized forms are unique to the fandom, but anthro equines are something already well within the realm of the furry fandom; with which there are high levels of mutual animosity between in certain circles.

Hm… I thought the question was about sexual attraction. I didn’t really think about any other factors.

I want to say that anthropomorphic ponies actually are unique to bronies. Anthropomorphic equines in the furry fandom are actually different in that they’re more “true to life” than anthropomorphic characters from “Friendship is Magic.” (If you want to compare, I just found a horse thread on a furry imageboard [NSFW, just in case you didn’t figure].)

With that being said, though, I have a bit more speculation on why anthropomorphic forms aren’t that attractive to some: Sometimes when the body of a female pony is anthropomorphed, the artist doesn’t add breasts, since, after all, that’s not where they naturally go. But this makes her look flat-chested or even loli-like, which would be a turn-off for a lot of people.

*clicks link*

And suddenly my “special folder” has several more images in it. :D

*ahem* But as for the discussion: I don’t really think they all that different.

Cloppers seem to hate anthro ponies (because they look weird and freaky).

Conversely, there are a lot of furries who simply hate the idea of clopping because they hate the idea of MLP being popular among guys.

Also, FYI, that 4chan link you gave actually does have some MLP anthros in there (AJ, Rarity, Zecora, the spa sisters).

Huh, I see them as very different.

I think some more people should come in, especially those who do hate anthro (MLP:FiM) ponies and can give some insight.

I didn’t go through the thread that thouroughly, so I didn’t see the MLP in it. I just did a text search through it, and they’re not bad. (By the way, it isn’t from 4chan; it’s from another site that uses similar software.)

negevsthebear:

needs-more-plot:

heartlinda:

I speculated in a previous post on why some people prefer the canonical form. In short, I think maybe they strongly associate the characters (i.e., personalities) with their canonical forms, so they are put off by any variations.

It’s interesting that you mention that the same people like completely humanized versions, because my explanation is inconsistent with that. But right now I’ll just guess that maybe with the characters in totally human form it’s just regular porn or hentai to them.

I suppose that makes sense, though it still seems really odd to me.

So now I present this same question to my followers. Ever run into this situation yourself?

I have seen that a fair bit, but I would disagree with the assumption that is because of association of personalities with their canonical forms.

To me, it usually seemed fairly obvious it was because the middle ground  of anthromorphological forms basically treaded on enemy territory; Both the canonical forms, and humanized forms are unique to the fandom, but anthro equines are something already well within the realm of the furry fandom; with which there are high levels of mutual animosity between in certain circles.

Hm… I thought the question was about sexual attraction. I didn’t really think about any other factors.

I want to say that anthropomorphic ponies actually are unique to bronies. Anthropomorphic equines in the furry fandom are actually different in that they’re more “true to life” than anthropomorphic characters from “Friendship is Magic.” (If you want to compare, I just found a horse thread on a furry imageboard [NSFW, just in case you didn’t figure].)

With that being said, though, I have a bit more speculation on why anthropomorphic forms aren’t that attractive to some: Sometimes when the body of a female pony is anthropomorphed, the artist doesn’t add breasts, since, after all, that’s not where they naturally go. But this makes her look flat-chested or even loli-like, which would be a turn-off for a lot of people.

I speculated in a previous post on why some people prefer the canonical form. In short, I think maybe they strongly associate the characters (i.e., personalities) with their canonical forms, so they are put off by any variations.

It’s interesting that you mention that the same people like completely humanized versions, because my explanation is inconsistent with that. But right now I’ll just guess that maybe with the characters in totally human form it’s just regular porn or hentai to them.

Wow, thanks! I really appreciate that someone pays attention to more than just the porn.

Anyway, I hope you’ve gone through my “discussion” tag; it has all of this sort of commentary (including quite a bit about “Down with Molestia,” ugh).

needs-more-plot:

Rough sketch from a batch of NSFW sketches I did tonight.

I really wanna make Wingjobs more popular. I really don’t see them anywhere. And I’ve seen a lot of pony porn.

I mean really, just think about those soft, delicate feathers, gently stroking your genitals and then grasping firmly and—

O__O

Excuse me a moment.

Oh yeah… Hm…for me the thought’s not really sexually arousing, but really romantically passionate. It’s a bit like the feeling of a blanket (which makes sense, since I would think the feelings are physically similar).

But on a more serious note, I think the alary-penile (wings on penis) (or alary-vaginal for that matter) simulation hasn’t been done as much since I’ve traditionally seen “wingjob” to refer to manual-alary simulation, as in this (and a Spitfire/Rainbow Dash clopfic I read once).

(All this isn’t going to stop me from asking: Who’s the male?)

ambris-waifu-hoard:

eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh

I’m kinda on the fence about that. It’s not really something that I’d specifically want to do, but I guess it depends on how much she’d want it. If she did me favors, I’d certainly happily return them.

(Just passing through to answer this myself.)

No, I would not fellate an androgynous female, at least not under normal circumstances. I might go into further detail on this in a separate discussion post.