Tag: Clopping

EDIT: I’ve included a link to the original post for context.

Well, I’m not “literally” standing up because I was sitting when I wrote that post (and am sitting now as I answer this). But I am literally supporting them. (I’m one of them!)

Just because you focused on the point of children finding this content (which is justified, I suppose), I decided to do an experiment: I went to image search on Google, turned on SafeSearch, and just put in the names of the main six characters: Twilight Sparkle, Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, Rarity, Applejack, and Fluttershy. The most sexually suggestive images I could find in the first few pages were Twilight Sparkle in bed and a back-nude humanized Fluttershy, which aren’t explicit. Down the list are some “wet-mane” and “bedroom-eye” ponies. You can try this for yourself to draw your own conclusions, but I think people who are into this (actually Google and SafeSearch, really) indeed have done a generally good job of keeping this away from children.

I also want to bring up a post I reblogged a few months ago. It specifically concerns the blog “Ask Princess Molestia” and the “Down with Molestia” movement against it, but it makes a good point about the whole “children might find it” argument. In short, it’s the parents’ responsibility to make sure that children aren’t exposed to things they shouldn’t be seeing. The post states that content creators have given parents the tools to do so (“ratings and tags”). I think I’ve taken the appropriate measures on my end. My blog description advises that this blog is “highly NSFW.” The blog has been marked so on Tumblr since I created it, meaning that my posts are generally hidden from people on Tumblr unless they disable “Safe Mode”. (More information.)

I am concerned about young children being exposed to this sort of content. But the Internet has much more than this that children shouldn’t be seeing, including content based on other cartoon characters children enjoy. This, too, has been kept out of “public” view, and My Little Pony is no different. (Just for reference I searched Princess Peach, which as I’m writing this is at the top of this list, which is basically a “most gotten-off-to” characters list. I didn’t find anything inappropriate for children.)

This is a statement sometimes made to criticize the “darker” (that is, more sexual) part of the fanbase surrounding “My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic” (“bronies”) and the fan content it produces.

First things first. Heard of Rule 34? Rule 34 is a “Rule of the Internet” that states: “There is porn of it. No exceptions.” (Phrasing may vary.) You probably have heard of it, but I want to clarify this because xkcd seems to apply Rule 34 as: “There is porn of anything you can think of.” However, currently Rule 34 is generally applied as: “There is porn of any existing fictional character.” Kinky porn that isn’t based on any existing character isn’t really considered an application of Rule 34, nor is porn of celebrities (real people). So when I refer to Rule 34, I am referring to sexual content of pre-existing fictional characters.

I get it. A lot people don’t like seeing sexual content of stories and characters they enjoy. But some (myself included) do, so Rule 34 rings true, for ponies as it does for everything else.

About this content being exposed to those who don’t want to see or shouldn’t be seeing it: This is a problem of Rule 34 in general. I think people are doing a fairly good job of preventing this from happening, but I haven’t looked into this much.

It’s a show (mainly) for little girls. That’s true, but this argument fails in pretty much the same way as it does for bronies themselves: People can enjoy things that weren’t originally intended for them.

They’re horses, not people! Okay, okay. But you only have to look to the furry fandom for a counterargument. Some furry fans/“furries” create sexual content involving animal characters. Sure, “Friendship is Magic” characters aren’t anthropomorphic like most furry characters, but they have the same sort of intelligence that makes them human-relatable characters. (Plus, there are plenty of anthropomorphic ponies to go around.)

TL;DR: Yeah, it’s disturbing for a lot of people. But it’s Rule 34. What did you expect?

rarityloveeverpony:

handy-hooves-and-muffin-mare:

evilestia:

ponies4everypony:

*scoffs* What? Ladies. I’d never ever do…
Ladies?
Okay. I’ll come clean. Think of it like this. I only do it cause I find you all beautiful.

~DangerDan

Well not to you per say, the images of the awesome artist who draw anthropomorphise pose of you in sexy way, maybe, well hum yes, we do clop, but not to pony pony ,well you get the idea,

yes…yes i do

I think I do

You all are very close friends, and it’s not hard to think some of you… (And yes, anthropomorphisms and humanizations do help.)

(Pinkie Pie doesn’t give a flying feather about this. XD)

(In re evilestia: per *se)

rarityloveeverpony:

Sure but I don’t have any twilght and S A I don’t like incest

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http://needs-more-pony.tumblr.com/post/67225127483/discussion-every-brony-clops

needs-more-pony:

I see what you mean now. Honestly, I still say go for it.

What you do as an individual isn’t going to affect the perception of the brony community at large. Whether you acknowledge your other persona or now, there are still people out there who are going to think ill of bronies (just like they do furries).

EDIT: Follow the conversation thread up through here instead of the post link.

I think you’re right. I also think that people shouldn’t say that cloppers are a minority of the brony fandom, but rather they’re discreet.

http://needs-more-pony.tumblr.com/post/67225127483/discussion-every-brony-clops

needs-more-pony:

My personal opinion is people just need to not freak out about the idea of clop. I demand a general respect for my interest in clop content. In return, I respect the fact that many people don’t want to ever have to run into clop content, and I do my best to accommodate them. I have both SFW blog and a NSFW blog. And I keep them separate. The only people who find my clop blog are people who actually want to.

Essentially, everyone should respect each other. Non-cloppers should acknowledge and respect the existence of cloppers, while cloppers should respect that not everyone is into what they are, and keep their content discrete.

It’s pretty much the same dynamic that should be for bronies vs. non-bronies. Non-bronies need to respect that bronies exist and there is nothing wrong with that, and bronies need to not offensively effusive about their interests.

So yeah, I’d say acknowledge both of your identities. And don’t give a damn about people who may look down on you.

Never be afraid to just be yourself, but always respect the boundaries of others.

Thank you for your input. I agree with what you’ve said. However, my concern is not with others’ perceptions of me as an individual. I am more concerned about the perception of the brony fandom as a whole.

As I said, I fear that bronies are going the way of furries in that both bronies and furries get hate for having large proportions of sexual perverts which might actually be justified. I see bronies (and furries) defending their fanbase(s) against these accusations by saying something like, “Every fanbase has a messed-up side, but it’s only a minority.” Is that still true for the brony fanbase? The furry fanbase?

Warning: “Grammar Nazism” below.
*discreet
*philosophy

Answer to the title: Of course not. But apparently many do, and aren’t ashamed to admit it. Read on.

I’ve mentioned in two separate posts that I have a “SFW” brony identity, and a recent Twitter exchange (referenced here) is pushing me to acknowledge that they’re the same person.

First things first: Why the separation? The easiest answer is that I wouldn’t want to lay clop (and other sexual content) on people who are not interested in it.

But many people at the very least acknowledge the SFW identity from the NSFW one (and less often the NSFW from the SFW). I have tried to maintain a strict separation between my two identities: I have not acknowledged the other from either, and I try not to take things that show up under one and post them on the other.

The reason for that has more to do with the perceptions of clop in the brony fandom, from both inside and outside. A common accusation made by haters and trolls is that many/all bronies clop. Of course it’s a false generalization to say that all bronies clop, but whether “many” do or not is harder to determine.

I fear that the brony fandom is going the way of the furry fandom: Haters say that a large majority of fans get off to sexual content, and that might actually be true. I do not want to contribute to that. (The only difference is that brony conventions are SFW, unline furry conventions. [The largest furry conventions allow NSFW content (“yiff”), but it’s placed in restricted areas, if I recall correctly.])

What do you think? Are my concerns justified? Should I go ahead and acknowledge my other identity?

notableclopblog:

puddincakes:

The fan base is HUGE! There’s so much out there for it and I’ve always been curious about it. The show is targeting small children yet there’s a much bigger adult fan base.
I’m 19 and it old my 9 year old sister I liked my little pony and she laughed at me and called me a baby. (She loves it now)
So why do you like clop? MLP porn? I’m just curious and don’t judge at all.

A lot of people were introduced to mlp through clop. There are a lot of artists who do R34 exclusively or almost exclusively and when they make fanart of something they’ll draw what they know. This is how I was introduced to the show. Other than that the show itself is heavily neotenized and more anthropormphized than previous generations as well as the bed room eyes, plot, and happy accidents that happen in the animation.

In re puddincakes: Interesting question. Well, I enjoy many types of Rule 34, but clop has its own way of getting to me. (In re notableclopblog: I personally was introduced to the show through safe-for-work means.)

First let’s note that MLP:FiM has many female characters, which is expected since they were designed to appeal to young girls; add to this the fact that the main six are very close friends. It’s very easy to imagine that they take it one step further. Many do this through shipping; fan work can be found for all fifteen possible parings among the main six. Perverts like me take it another step further with clop. (And clop can also be found for all fifteen pairings.)

The art style also plays a role. Very human facial expressions play a role, as in the “wet mane” meme, as well as the anatomy: Their legs and hooves are very wide compared to those of real horses, and to be frank I’ll say that artists’ attempts to make their forms more equine turn me off.

(This is mainly about clop. If you’re following me for other content, you can ignore this.)

I’ve come across some NSFW blogs of bronies I know (mostly from YouTube).

• LaserPon3 (dedicated NSFW blog) (found just by browsing #clop)
• General Mumble (also dedicated) (also found through #clop)
• d.notive (tagged) (description advises that the blog is “frequently NSFW”; I just searched the logical tag)
• Silva Hound (tagged) (not a good example, actually)
• PaleoSteno (dedicated NSFW blog) (linked from his main one)

Okay, people like porn; that’s not too big a problem. The problem is that there’s clop. Given the sometimes strained relationship between cloppers and the brony fandom as a whole, I wonder how they manage to do (read: get away with) this.

Are most bronies much more tolerant of cloppers then I thought? Or maybe these blogs are all for lulz?

I have a “main” (SFW) account for pony stuff (not Tumblr [yet, anyway]), so I’m wondering if I should start being more open about this.